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    Default Earliest known blues musicians

    Hey gang, I recently caught a fairly important error I had made a while back and I hope this belated correction is useful...

    I'm far from being an expert but I took some grad courses in folklore and do independent study of Blues folklore; I respect the scientific process. About six years ago I helped start a thread that I mistitled "First Generation Blues Musicians". "First generation" is a false concept. It's contradictory to the reality of folklore which is an organic process of cross-fertilizations from one location & generation to another; there is just no such thing as the first.

    So I've started this new thread with the correct topic "EARLIEST KNOWN BLUES MUSICIANS". Our project continues; to bring everyone up to speed & on the same page, here's the purpose and the current status:

    PURPOSE:

    Our list is useful insofar as I'm not aware of any one list of the Blues musicians who were singing or playing Folk Blues before or at the era of Victrola and upright piano popularity in the 1920s; these being two socioeconomic milestones enabling the transition of Folk Blues into popular music. If the ethnomusicologists or folklorists have a similar list, perhaps they'll discover some new names in our list.


    STATUS:


    1. I'm integrating the names collected over the past year with our original list and will complete this soon...(I just retired ):

    2. Please add names you think qualify: a) playing before 1930 for example, or; b) I don't think we know what Ike Zinnerman sounded like but he was a Blues musician who directly influenced Robert Johnson; c) Robert Johnson is an example of one who does not qualify for this group, having listened to other Blues & Jazz musicians via Victrola & radio, and having made 38 recordings in the mid-1930s;

    3. Please add names alphabetically by first name or nick-name.


    BLUESTALK LIST OF EARLIEST KNOWN BLUES MUSICIANS

    Arthur Armstrong ("Goin' Down The Road, Won't Be Back No' Mo" has been mistakenly released under the title "Take It Away," which was the title of a "Funky Butt" variant that Armstrong also recorded)
    Ashley Thompson
    Barbecue Bob Hicks
    Bennie Bertram (Cuje Bertram)
    Bertha Lee
    Bessie Smith (more Classic Blues?)
    Big Walter Horton (Walter Shakey Horton)
    Black Ace Turner (Babe Kyro Lemon Turner)
    Blind Blake
    Blind Joe Reynolds (Joe Sheppard)
    Blind Lemon Jefferson,
    Blind Willie Johnson
    Blind Willie McTell
    Bo Carter
    Bobby Grant
    Booker "Bukka" White
    Bubba Lee Torrence
    Casey Bill Weldon
    Charlie Hicks
    Charlie Lincoln
    Charley McCoy,
    Charlie Patton (husband of Bertha Lee, wink)
    Coonie Bertram (1889)
    Cripple Clarence Lofton (c. 1884-1887)
    Curley Weaver
    Daddy Hotcakes (George Montgomery, 1894)
    Daddy Stovepipe
    Dick Bankston
    Ed Andrews
    Eddie Bowles "Bowles' Blues"
    Elvie Thomas
    Frank Stokes (1888)
    Freddie Spruell (Papa Freddie or Mr. Freddie)
    Funny Pappa Smith (aka John T. Smith, Funny Paper, Cool Pappa)
    Furry Lewis
    Geeshie Wiley (nee Lillie Mae Scott?)
    Go Lightenin
    Gress Barnett "Weep And Moan"
    Gus Cannon(1883)
    Hambone Willie Newbern
    Hammy Nixon
    Harvey Hull
    Henry Stuckey
    Henry Thomas
    Henry Sloan
    Henry Townsend
    Honeyboy Edwards (David)
    Howlin Wolf (Chester Burnette, Robert Burnette)
    Ike Zinnerman (Zimmerman?)
    Ishmon Bracey
    Jack Owens (aka L. F. Nelson)
    Jaybird Coleman
    John Bray "Trench Blues"
    Josh White
    Julius Daniels
    Kansas Joe McCoy
    King Solomon Hill
    Kokomo Arnold
    Lane Hardin
    Leadbelly (Huddie Ledbetter)
    Libba Cotton (nee Elizabeth Nevill, also Nevills)
    Long Cleve Reed
    Luke Jordan
    Ma Rainey
    Mance Lipscomb
    Memphis MInnie (Kid Douglas, Lizzie Douglas)
    Mississippi John Hurt
    Noah Lewis
    Papa Charlie Jackson(1885)
    Peg Leg Howell(1888)
    Pink Anderson
    Pops Staples (Robuck Staples)
    Yank (James) Rachell
    Rabbit Brown nee Richard Brown, c. 1880
    Robert Hicks
    Rubin Lacy
    Sam Chatmon
    Sam Collins
    Sam Butler (James "Bo Weavil" Jackson)
    Savannah Weaver (taught son Curley, as well as Charlie & Robert Hicks)
    Scrapper Blackwell
    Skip James
    Sleepy John Estes
    Son House,
    Sunny Wilson
    Sylvester Weaver,
    Texas Alexander
    Tommy Johnson
    Walter Beasley,
    Walter Vincent,
    Wilbert Andrews
    Will Bonds
    Will Shade
    Willie Brown
    Will Ezell



    ADDITIONAL NAMES TO BE SCREENED AND ADDED:

    Rabbit Brown "James Alley Blues"
    Dick Burnett "All Night Long Blues"
    Bo Carter "Old Devil"
    Sam Collins "Yellow Dog Blues"
    Elizabeth Cotten "Going Down The Road Feeling Bad"
    Tom Darby "Down In Florida On A Hog"
    Carl Davis "Elm Street Woman Blues"
    Simmie Dooley "C. C. & O. Blues"
    Buster Ezell "Salt Water Blues"
    Eli Framer "Framer's Blues"
    Alcide Gaspard "Marksville Blues"
    Clarence Greene "Johnson City Blues"
    W.C. Handy "Got No More Home Than A Dog"
    Joe Harris "East Texas Blues"
    Roy Harvey "Steamboat Man"
    Myrt Holmes "Run Here Fairo"
    Peg Leg Howell "Fo' Day Blues"
    John Hurt "See See Rider"
    Jim Jackson "Hesitation Blues"
    Papa Charlie Jackson "Jackson's Blues"
    Lemon Jefferson "One Dime Blues"
    Tom Johnson "See See Mama"
    Charley Jordan "Dollar Bill Blues"
    Luke Jordan "Church Bells Blues"
    Huddie Ledbetter "When A Man's A Long Way From Home"
    George Montgomery "Well, I've Been Down To Memphis"
    William Moore "Midnight Blues"
    Isaiah Nettles "Mississippi Moan"
    Charlie Patton "Green River Blues"
    Homer Roberson "Stavin' Chain"
    Allen Shaw "Moanin' The Blues"
    Freddie Spruell "Muddy Water Blues"
    Frank Stokes "How Long"
    Ernest Stoneman "Lonesome Road Blues"
    Jimmie Strothers "Going To Richmond"
    J.D. Suggs "Memphis Blues"
    Joe Taggart "C&O Blues"
    Elvie Thomas "Motherless Child Blues"
    Henry Thomas "Lovin' Babe"
    Buford Threlkeld "Low Down Blues"
    Johnny Watson "Stove Pipe Blues"
    Henry Whitter "Lonesome Road Blues"
    Richard Williams "Polk County Blues"
    Last edited by BluesHawk; 12-18-2017 at 04:44 PM.

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    Default Helpful, interesting research, well-done IMHO...

    Here's the scoop with photos on Ike Zimmerman (aka Zinnerman) and Robert Johnson showing why Ike is on our list and Robert (aka R.L.) is not:

    http://www.academia.edu/2408177/_Ike...ing_Blues_2008

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    You have Howlin' Wolf in there....
    Why is there no Muddy Waters??

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    Not sure why Mud was not on the list but thanks for pointing that out, Tinsmith. He was born in 1913 (?), certainly was playing before 1930 but not recorded until the 1940s.

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    Default Updated 12/19

    OUR LIST OF EARLIEST COUNTRY BLUES MUSICIANS

    Arthur Armstrong ("Goin' Down The Road, Won't Be Back No' Mo" has been mistakenly released under the title "Take It Away," which was the title of a "Funky Butt" variant that Armstrong also recorded)
    Ashley Thompson
    Barbecue Bob Hicks
    Bennie Bertram (Cuje Bertram)
    Bertha Lee
    Bessie Smith (more Classic Blues?)
    Big Walter Horton (Walter Shakey Horton)
    Black Ace Turner (Babe Kyro Lemon Turner)
    Blind Blake
    Blind Joe Reynolds (Joe Sheppard)
    Blind Joe Taggart (Joel Washington Taggart)
    Blind Lemon Jefferson,
    Blind Willie Johnson
    Blind Willie McTell
    Bo Carter
    Bobby Grant
    Booker "Bukka" White
    Bubba Lee Torrence
    Buford Threlkeld, "Low Down Blues"; see this rare film:


    Buster Ezell "Salt Water Blues"
    Carl Davis "Elm Street Woman Blues"
    Casey Bill Weldon
    Charlie Hicks
    Charlie Lincoln
    Charley McCoy,
    Charlie Patton (husband of Bertha Lee, &#128521
    Clarence Greene "Johnson City Blues"
    Coonie Bertram (1889)
    Cripple Clarence Lofton (c. 1884-1887)
    Curley Weaver
    Daddy Hotcakes (George Montgomery, 1894)
    Daddy Stovepipe
    Dick Bankston
    Dick Burnett "All Night Long Blues"
    Ed Andrews
    Eddie Bowles "Bowles' Blues"
    Eli Framer "Framer's Blues"
    Elvie Thomas
    Frank Stokes (1888)
    Freddie Spruell (Papa Freddie or Mr. Freddie)
    Funny Pappa Smith (aka John T. Smith, Funny Paper, Cool Pappa)
    Furry Lewis
    Geeshie Wiley (nee Lillie Mae Scott?)
    Go Lightenin
    Gress Barnett "Weep And Moan"
    Gus Cannon (1883)
    Hambone Willie Newbern
    Hammy Nixon
    Harvey Hull
    Henry Stuckey
    Henry Thomas
    Henry Sloan
    Henry Townsend
    Honeyboy Edwards (David)
    Howlin Wolf (Chester Burnette, Robert Burnette)
    Ike Zimmerman (aka Zinnerman)
    Ishmon Bracey
    Jack Owens (aka L. F. Nelson)
    Jaybird Coleman
    John Bray "Trench Blues"
    Josh White
    Julius Daniels
    Kansas Joe McCoy
    King Solomon Hill
    Kokomo Arnold
    Lane Hardin
    Leadbelly (Huddie Ledbetter)
    Libba Cotton (nee Elizabeth Nevill, also Nevills)
    Long Cleve Reed
    Luke Jordan
    Ma Rainey
    Mance Lipscomb
    Memphis MInnie (Kid Douglas, Lizzie Douglas)
    Mississippi John Hurt
    Muddy Water(s), c.1913
    Noah Lewis
    Papa Charlie Jackson(1885)
    Peg Leg Howell (1888)
    Pink Anderson
    Pops Staples (Robuck Staples)
    Yank (James) Rachell
    Rabbit Brown nee Richard Brown, c. 1880
    Robert Hicks
    Rubin Lacy
    Sam Chatmon
    Sam Collins
    Sam Butler (James "Bo Weavil" Jackson)
    Savannah Weaver (taught son Curley, as well as Charlie & Robert Hicks)
    Scrapper Blackwell
    Simmie Dooley "C. C. & O. Blues"
    Skip James
    Sleepy John Estes
    Son House,
    Sunny Wilson
    Sylvester Weaver,
    Texas Alexander
    Tom Darby "Down In Florida On A Hog"
    Tommy Johnson
    Walter Beasley,
    Walter Vincent,
    Wilbert Andrews
    Will Bonds
    Will Shade
    Willie Brown
    Will Ezell

    NAMES BEING SCREENED AND ADDED

    Joe Harris "East Texas Blues"
    Roy Harvey "Steamboat Man"
    Myrt Holmes "Run Here Fairo"
    Jim Jackson "Hesitation Blues"
    Charley Jordan "Dollar Bill Blues"
    Luke Jordan "Church Bells Blues"
    George Montgomery "Well, I've Been Down To Memphis"
    William Moore "Midnight Blues"
    Isaiah Nettles "Mississippi Moan"
    Homer Roberson "Stavin' Chain"
    Allen Shaw "Moanin' The Blues"
    Jimmie Strothers "Going To Richmond"
    J.D. Suggs "Memphis Blues"

    Joe Taggart "C&O Blues"; Joel Washington Taggart (August 16, 1892 January 15, 1961), usually known as Blind Joe Taggart, African American country blues and gospel singer-guitarist who recorded in the 1920s and 1930s; primarily a performer of evangelistic gospel songs, he also recorded secular music under pseudonyms: Blind Joe Amos, Blind Jeremiah Taylor, Blind Tim Russell, Blind Joe Donnel, and possibly Blind Percy and Six Cylinder Smith.

    Johnny Watson "Stove Pipe Blues"
    Henry Whitter "Lonesome Road Blues"
    Richard Williams "Polk County Blues"

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    OUR LIST OF EARLIEST COUNTRY BLUES MUSICIANS

    Arthur Armstrong ("Goin' Down The Road, Won't Be Back No' Mo" has been mistakenly released under the title "Take It Away," which was the title of a "Funky Butt" variant that Armstrong also recorded)
    Ashley Thompson
    Barbecue Bob Hicks
    Bennie Bertram (Cuje Bertram)
    Bertha Lee
    Bessie Smith (more Classic Blues?)
    Big Walter Horton (Walter Shakey Horton)
    Black Ace Turner (Babe Kyro Lemon Turner)
    Blind Blake
    Blind Joe Reynolds (Joe Sheppard)
    Blind Joe Taggart (Joel Washington Taggart)
    Blind Lemon Jefferson,
    Blind Willie Johnson
    Blind Willie McTell
    Bo Carter
    Bobby Grant
    Booker "Bukka" White
    Bubba Lee Torrence
    Buford Threlkeld, "Low Down Blues"; see this rare film: https://youtu.be/rwo6HVTacYs
    Buster Ezell "Salt Water Blues"
    Carl Davis "Elm Street Woman Blues"
    Casey Bill Weldon
    Charlie Hicks
    Charlie Lincoln
    Charley McCoy,
    Charlie Patton (husband of Bertha Lee, &#128521
    Clarence Greene "Johnson City Blues"
    Coonie Bertram (1889)
    Cripple Clarence Lofton (c. 1884-1887)
    Curley Weaver
    Daddy Hotcakes (George Montgomery, 1894)
    Daddy Stovepipe
    Dick Bankston
    Dick Burnett "All Night Long Blues"
    Ed Andrews
    Eddie Bowles "Bowles' Blues"
    Eli Framer "Framer's Blues"
    Elvie Thomas
    Frank Stokes (1888)
    Freddie Spruell (Papa Freddie or Mr. Freddie)
    Funny Pappa Smith (aka John T. Smith, Funny Paper, Cool Pappa)
    Furry Lewis
    Geeshie Wiley (nee Lillie Mae Scott?)
    Go Lightenin
    Gress Barnett "Weep And Moan"
    Gus Cannon (1883)
    Hambone Willie Newbern
    Hammy Nixon
    Harvey Hull
    Henry Stuckey
    Henry Thomas
    Henry Sloan
    Henry Townsend
    Honeyboy Edwards (David)
    Howlin Wolf (Chester Burnette, Robert Burnette)
    Ike Zimmerman (aka Zinnerman)
    Ishmon Bracey
    Jack Owens (aka L. F. Nelson)
    Jaybird Coleman
    John Bray "Trench Blues"
    Josh White
    Julius Daniels
    Kansas Joe McCoy
    King Solomon Hill
    Kokomo Arnold
    Lane Hardin
    Leadbelly (Huddie Ledbetter)
    Libba Cotton (nee Elizabeth Nevill, also Nevills)
    Long Cleve Reed
    Luke Jordan
    Ma Rainey
    Mance Lipscomb
    Memphis MInnie (Kid Douglas, Lizzie Douglas)
    Mississippi John Hurt
    Muddy Water(s), c.1913
    Noah Lewis
    Papa Charlie Jackson(1885)
    Peg Leg Howell (1888)
    Pink Anderson
    Pops Staples (Robuck Staples)
    Yank (James) Rachell
    Rabbit Brown nee Richard Brown, c. 1880
    Robert Hicks
    Rubin Lacy
    Sam Chatmon
    Sam Collins
    Sam Butler (James "Bo Weavil" Jackson)
    Savannah Weaver (taught son Curley, as well as Charlie & Robert Hicks)
    Scrapper Blackwell
    Simmie Dooley "C. C. & O. Blues"
    Skip James
    Sleepy John Estes
    Son House,
    Sunny Wilson
    Sylvester Weaver,
    Texas Alexander
    Tom Darby "Down In Florida On A Hog"
    Tommy Johnson
    Walter Beasley,
    Walter Vincent,
    Wilbert Andrews
    Will Bonds
    Will Shade
    Willie Brown
    Will Ezell

    NAMES BEING SCREENED AND ADDED

    Joe Harris "East Texas Blues"
    Roy Harvey "Steamboat Man"
    Myrt Holmes "Run Here Fairo"
    Jim Jackson "Hesitation Blues"
    Charley Jordan "Dollar Bill Blues"
    Luke Jordan "Church Bells Blues"
    George Montgomery "Well, I've Been Down To Memphis"
    William Moore "Midnight Blues"
    Isaiah Nettles "Mississippi Moan"
    Homer Roberson "Stavin' Chain"
    Allen Shaw "Moanin' The Blues"
    Jimmie Strothers "Going To Richmond"
    J.D. Suggs "Memphis Blues"

    Joe Taggart "C&O Blues"; Joel Washington Taggart (August 16, 1892 January 15, 1961), usually known as Blind Joe Taggart, African American country blues and gospel singer-guitarist who recorded in the 1920s and 1930s; primarily a performer of evangelistic gospel songs, he also recorded secular music under pseudonyms: Blind Joe Amos, Blind Jeremiah Taylor, Blind Tim Russell, Blind Joe Donnel, and possibly Blind Percy and Six Cylinder Smith.

    Johnny Watson "Stove Pipe Blues"
    Henry Whitter "Lonesome Road Blues"
    Richard Williams "Polk County Blues"

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    Default Where did lead solo come from?

    Many people classify the earliest jazz as Blues. Dixieland, an urban Blues kin to Classic Blues. What I learned this evening is that Chuck Berry, Sister Rosetta Tharpe, Lonnie Johnson and the earliest Blues guitar players who played lead solos, owe a lot to Louis Armstrong and The Hot Five.

    In the 1920s Armstrong began taking lead solos at a time when trumpet played melody whilst the trombone and clarinet took turns improvising over the trumpet melody. But with deference to his virtuosity, the Hot Five gave Armstrong's trumpet improvisational solos, while trombone and clarinet laid back, one or the other holding down the melody. This Hot Five innovation, the improvisational lead solo, is what Mickey Baker, Sister Rosetta, Chuck Berry and other guitarists did within Rock music.

    Please add what you know, even if it might seem to correct what I learned. This is a new area for me. Hey didn't a violin or trumpet take solos in European Classical music? But it would not have been improvisational.

    https://youtu.be/BfORYuSJXTY

 

 

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